Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Kelly McGonigal (on joy)

Published 4 November 2026Duration: 2h 12m
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Kelly McGonigal (Joy Is a Risk Worth Taking, The Joy of Movement, The Upside of Stress) is a psychologist, bestselling author, and dance instructor. Kelly joins Armchair Expert to discuss growing up with a mirror twin in New Jersey, navigating childhood with unexplained chronic pain, and finding freedom at Boston University. Kelly and Dax talk about studying psychopaths recruited through newspaper ads, sneaking compassion into her viral TED Talk, and spreading joy in dance class despite her own pessimism. Kelly explains why joy doesn’t require a happy life, how connecting with strangers challenges our cynicism, and why singing with a concert crowd can restore our faith in humanity. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ This holiday season, NOBULL encourages people stay “Stronger Than the Season.” Head to https://www.NOBULLProject.com all holiday season to shop new deals every week and checkout products like the Drive 2, a versatile hybrid training shoe built for mixed workouts, helping listeners move through the season their way. The Quarter Pounder with Cheese Meal now $8 for a limited time. Only at McDonald’s. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

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